Clayface director James Watkins explains the film's ending, Hagen choice and design
In interviews with Variety and Collider, director James Watkins discussed the DC Studios horror film Clayface: why it uses Matt Hagen, how the monster was designed, and why love drives its ending. Screen Rant reworked the Variety interview.
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Mixed · 2Director James Watkins has given interviews explaining choices in Clayface, the R-rated body horror film from DC Studios, now playing in theaters. VarietyLC ““Clayface” is an R-rated body horror that follows the shape-shifting Batman foe.” Read at Variety ↗ Screen RantN “James Watkins, the director of DC Studios new film Clayface” Read at Screen Rant ↗ Mixed · 2The film, with a story by Mike Flanagan, follows Matt Hagen (Tom Rhys Harries), an A-list actor disfigured by a gangster who undergoes an experimental procedure by Dr. Caitlyn Corr (Naomi Ackie) that heals him but slowly turns him into a clay monster. VarietyLC “Tom Rhys Harries plays Matt Hagen, an A-list actor who is brutally disfigured by a gangster.” Read at Variety ↗ ColliderN “Originally penned by The Haunting of Hill House and Carrie’s Mike Flanagan” Read at Collider ↗ Left · 1Variety says that by the end Matt kills everybody who wronged him, plus several innocent people, and is forced to live as a reclusive mud monster in the sewers. VarietyLC “In the end, Matt kills everybody who wronged him (plus several innocent people), and is forced to live as a reclusive mud monster in the sewers.” Read at Variety ↗
Centre · 1Speaking to Collider, Watkins said the audience is with Matt through his revenge until the end, when it senses he has gone too far; he said Matt is motivated by love and overtaken by primal urges, and compared this to revenge thrillers like John Wick and The Equalizer. ColliderN “But also, he does it from a point of view that I think is motivated. I know he's gone too far and whatever, but he's driven by love, and he's been completely overtaken by, I guess, his primal urges.”“if you talk about revenge thrillers, generally, whether it's a John Wick or Denzel [Washington] in The Equalizer” Read at Collider ↗ Mixed · 2He said he wanted the final Clayface look to keep the man inside the monster visible, calling the heartbreak the core of the best monster movies. ColliderN “I never wanted to lose sight of the man within the monster. That, for me, is where the heartbreak is.” Read at Collider ↗ VarietyLC “The key thing for me was making sure that it captured the emotion, the man inside the monster.” Read at Variety ↗ Mixed · 2The accounts differ on how many designs were tried: Watkins told Collider about 13 or 14 versions and told Variety about 19 iterations. ColliderN “we probably went through about 13, 14 different versions” Read at Collider ↗ VarietyLC “We did about 19 different iterations.” Read at Variety ↗
Mixed · 2Asked by Variety why the film uses Matt Hagen rather than the first Clayface, Basil Karlo, Watkins said Flanagan's script chose Hagen, that Karlo is “a little bit too gothic or too hard to do in such a modern idiom,” and that Hagen is more relatable. VarietyLC “If you’d have gone with Basil Karlo, it’s a little bit too gothic or too hard to do in such a modern idiom. The Matt Hagen is a more relatable version.” Read at Variety ↗ Screen RantN “Hagen was more flexible as a character, and his circumstances could translate more naturally into a contemporary setting.” Read at Screen Rant ↗ Centre · 1Screen Rant adds comic background: Karlo debuted in Detective Comics #40 in 1940 and Hagen in Detective Comics #298 in 1961, and it says that because Hagen was not an actor in the comics, the film drew on Batman: The Animated Series' version. Screen RantN “he made his debut during the Silver Age of comics in 1961's Detective Comics #298”“in the comic books, Hagen was not an actor, so the new DC movie actually adapted Batman: The Animated Series' iteration of the character” Read at Screen Rant ↗ Left · 1In the Variety interview Watkins also discussed Aaron Paul's brief cameo as Matt's father in one transformation, saying Paul was living in Paris and agreed to appear, and said much of the shape-shifting was done in camera with prosthetics. VarietyLC “That sequence also has a quick cameo from Aaron Paul, who plays Matt’s dad in one of his transformations.”“A lot of it is in camera.” Read at Variety ↗
Left · 1Variety adds that the film gives the first look at Gotham City in the rebooted DC Universe, which Watkins said was styled on German expressionist cinema and 1970s–90s New York street photography. VarietyLC “The movie also gives the first look at Batman’s hometown of Gotham City in the new DC Universe.”“We looked at a lot of 1930s German expressionist cinema with huge dominant buildings” Read at Variety ↗
Every sentence links to the reporting it rests on. The pill in front of each says where its sources sit: Left, Centre or Right when one side supplies at least half of them, Mixed when they are evenly split. The number is how many outlets it cites.
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- Framing
- Variety ran a broad Q&A with spoiler warning covering the cameo, Gotham's debut, practical effects and the Hagen choice.
- Emphasis
- Production craft: practical effects, prosthetics, Aaron Paul cameo, Gotham design, and its place in the new DC Universe.
- Leaves out or plays down
- Does not frame the ending's moral meaning as Collider does.
- Charged language
- “stomach-churning scares”
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“It blends a supervillain origin story with some stomach-churning scares” — Variety
Centre2 outlets
- Framing
- Collider focused on the ending and the moral line Matt crosses; Screen Rant turned one Variety answer into an explainer on Hagen versus Karlo.
- Emphasis
- Love and tragedy driving the ending; comic-book history of Karlo and Hagen.
- Leaves out or plays down
- Screen Rant does not cover the ending or the cameo; Collider does not cover the Hagen choice.
- Charged language
- “Horrifying Ending”“devastating ending”
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“Clayface director James Watkins officially breaks down the DCU horror movie's devastating ending.” — Collider
“In an interview with Variety, Watkins explained that he did explore other iterations of the character” — Screen Rant
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No right outlet in our sources has covered this story yet.
What every side reports
- Clayface is a DC Studios body horror film starring Tom Rhys Harries as Matt Hagen, with a story by Mike Flanagan.
- James Watkins directed it and was interviewed about it.
- Watkins said the film centres on the tragedy of the man inside the monster.
Where accounts differ
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Number of Clayface design iterations tried
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- Variety: about 19 different iterations.
- Centre
- Collider: about 13 or 14 different versions.
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The film Clayface follows Matt Hagen, with a story by Mike Flanagan.
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- Variety, Collider, Screen Rant
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Clayface is a new entry in the rebooted DC Universe.
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- Variety, Collider, Screen Rant
James Watkins person
Watkins presents Clayface as a tragic monster story in which the audience is complicit in Matt's revenge until he goes too far, driven by love; he says he chose Hagen as more relatable and modern, and favoured practical effects.
“for me, the tragedy, from the first time I read Mike Flanagan's first script, that tragic journey was something I really wanted to honor.” — Collider
“My guiding thing is if I can do it practically, I will try and do it practically.” — Variety
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Neutral Detailed spoiler-flagged Q&A on production craft, cameo and Gotham.

Centre2 articles
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‘Clayface’ Director Explains Why Love Drives Its Horrifying Ending
Sympathetic Interview centred on the ending's tragedy and love as motive.

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Clayface Director Reveals Why Movie Didn't Use The Original Villain
Neutral Explainer built on Variety's answer about Hagen over Karlo, with comic history.

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- 25 Oct 15:00 First VarietyLC ‘Clayface’ Director James Watkins Explains That [SPOILER] Cameo, Introducing Gotham City to the DC Universe and All the Shape-Shifting Kills
- 25 Oct 21:38 +6h 38m ColliderN ‘Clayface’ Director Explains Why Love Drives Its Horrifying Ending
- 26 Oct 00:44 +9h 45m Screen RantN Clayface Director Reveals Why Movie Didn't Use The Original Villain
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