UFO whistleblower David Grusch tells Joe Rogan that alien species have fought and crashed craft
Former intelligence officer David Grusch told Joe Rogan's podcast that non-human species have clashed, causing some crashes. He says his information comes from others and from files and video, not from his own observation, and no physical evidence has been made public.
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Right · 2David Grusch, a former US intelligence officer and UFO whistleblower, told Joe Rogan's podcast that some crashed craft recovered by the US government resulted from conflict between non-human species. Daily MailR “David Grusch, a former intelligence officer who now assists lawmakers with UFO transparency, made the extraordinary claim during a recent appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience.” Read at Daily Mail ↗ New York PostR “Grusch further revealed that battling species have resulted in some of the crashes that have been retrieved by the US government.” Read at New York Post ↗ Right · 1Asked whether non-human intelligences are at war, Grusch said 'It looks like conflict. It smells like conflict', and told Rogan he knew of 'at least a dozen or two' such crashes, according to the Daily Mail. Rogan summarised it as 'the grays and reptilians were duking it out', and Grusch replied 'I guess'. Daily MailR “Grusch told Rogan he knew of 'at least a dozen or two' crashes linked to apparent conflicts between non-human beings.”“'So the grays and reptilians were duking it out,' Rogan said.” Read at Daily Mail ↗ Right · 1The New York Post quotes Grusch as saying 'Some of it is [non-human intelligence] versus [non-human intelligence]' and that 'we have records of them f–king around with each other'. New York PostR ““Some of it is [non-human intelligence] versus [non-human intelligence],” Grusch said.” Read at New York Post ↗
Right · 2Grusch described beings of several kinds: reptilians more than seven feet tall with 'gorilla-looking' scaly skin, grays of different sizes including 'little tiny ones', and, in a video he said he was shown, human-like beings that looked like 'Greek gods'. Rogan suggested the smaller figures might be androids, and Grusch said that idea had also been discussed within the program. New York PostR ““Seven-foot tall plus, gorilla-looking, scaly skin though,” Grusch said”“These beings were human-like in form and appeared to be like “Greek gods.”” Read at New York Post ↗ Daily MailR “When Rogan suggested the smaller figures might be androids, Grusch said that hypothesis had also been discussed within the program.” Read at Daily Mail ↗ Right · 2He said a Tic Tac-shaped craft had been found with a dead reptilian, a shape that recalls the 2004 encounter off the California coast reported by Commander David Fravor. Daily MailR “Rogan then asked what type of craft had reportedly been found alongside a dead reptilian body. Grusch said it was a Tic Tac.” Read at Daily Mail ↗ New York PostR “The reptilian creatures were piloting a so-called Tic Tac UFO” Read at New York Post ↗ Right · 1The New York Post reports further claims: that some reptilians found alive during a crash recovery were shot dead by military personnel because one had killed US personnel, and that other craft types exist, including discs, boomerangs and crescent-shaped vehicles. New York PostR “The reptilians were taken out because one had killed US personnel who were at the site, said Grusch.”“There’s different types of discs. There’s boot heels. Sunfish looking things. Boomerangs, crescent moon-looking craft as well,” Read at New York Post ↗
Right · 2Grusch repeatedly said he has not personally seen the crashes or the beings. He said his information came from files on top-secret programs, videos and accounts from government and military insiders. He declined to explain how he viewed the footage, calling the arrangements 'kind of sketchy', and said he was withholding details to protect sources, some of whom he said had been physically threatened. Daily MailR “Grusch repeatedly explained that he has never seen the UFO crashes or alien bodies and was only conveying that his information came from files on top-secret programs, videos and confessions from government and military insiders.” Read at Daily Mail ↗ New York PostR “stressing that he has not seen the creatures but heard credible reports from witnesses.” Read at New York Post ↗ Right · 2Grusch testified under oath in 2023 that the US government has for decades run programs to recover and reverse-engineer non-human spacecraft. On the podcast he repeated that material and 'anomalous intelligence piloting craft' have been recovered, and said he believes it will all come out before President Trump's term ends. Daily MailR “Grusch testified under oath in 2023 that the US government has secretly operated programs to recover and reverse-engineer non-human spacecraft for decades.” Read at Daily Mail ↗ New York PostR ““So I believe that before Trump’s term ends that it’s all going to come out,” he said.” Read at New York Post ↗ Right · 1The Daily Mail notes that the US military and the White House have maintained for decades that no physical evidence proves UFOs or alien life exist. Daily MailR “However, the US military and the White House have maintained for decades that no physical evidence has been found that proves UFOs and alien life exist.” Read at Daily Mail ↗
Right · 1The Daily Mail adds that physicist Eric Davis referred to 'Grays, Nordics, Insectoids, and Reptilians' at a 2025 Capitol Hill briefing. Rep. Eric Burlison, a self-described skeptic, said he had heard the same four categories in private meetings, but that Davis's sources were unclear. Daily MailR “Davis described these entities as humanoid, approximately human-sized, and possibly linked to classified reverse-engineering programs.”“Burlison, a self-described skeptic, admitted uncertainty about Davis's sources” Read at Daily Mail ↗
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- Framing
- Both outlets treat the claims as sensational podcast material, using Rogan's reaction and the strangeness of the details as the hook. The Daily Mail adds sceptical context and background; the New York Post gives more of the vivid claims.
- Emphasis
- Daily Mail: war between grays and reptilians, Rogan's stunned reaction, government denials, Capitol Hill briefing. New York Post: 'Greek gods', 'gorilla lizards', US personnel killed, Grusch's prediction of disclosure before Trump's term ends.
- Leaves out or plays down
- Neither outlet cites independent verification or a response from the US government or military to these specific claims. The New York Post omits the Daily Mail's note that officials deny any physical evidence.
- Charged language
- “leaving Joe Rogan stunned”“wild alien claims”“jaw-dropping”“belief-stretching details”
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“UFO whistleblower claims two alien species are at war above America leaving Joe Rogan stunned” — Daily Mail
“makes wild alien claims on Joe Rogan podcast: ‘Greek gods’ and ‘gorilla lizards’” — New York Post
What every side reports
- Grusch appeared on The Joe Rogan Experience and said some UFO crashes involved conflict between non-human species.
- Grusch said he has not personally seen the craft or beings and relies on others' accounts and files.
- Grusch described reptilian and gray beings and a Tic Tac craft linked to the 2004 Fravor encounter.
Where accounts differ
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How the claims are presented
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- The Daily Mail stresses that Grusch has no firsthand evidence and that the military and White House say no physical evidence exists. The New York Post leads with the 'wild' claims, including deaths of US personnel, and gives less space to caveats.
David Grusch person
Says non-human species have clashed and crashed craft, that material and pilots have been recovered and reverse-engineered, and that this will become public. He stresses his information is secondhand and that he is withholding details to protect sources.
“Grusch emphasized that he had never seen the alleged reptilian beings in person, saying he was relying on other people's experiences and audiovisual material.” — Daily Mail
““So I believe that before Trump’s term ends that it’s all going to come out,” he said.” — New York Post
Joe Rogan person
Asks probing questions and reacts with disbelief, calling the account 'f****** crazy', while offering his own suggestions such as androids.
“'Whoa. It sounds f****** crazy, David.'” — Daily Mail
““Why do these things keep crashing?” Rogan asked Grusch.” — New York Post
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UFO whistleblower claims two alien species are at war above America leaving Joe Rogan stunned
Mixed Sensational lead about an alien war, but it repeats Grusch's caveats that he saw nothing himself and adds the official position that no physical evidence exists.
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Alarmist Leads with vivid and extreme claims, including aliens killing US servicemembers, and relays them with little scepticism beyond noting Grusch hasn't seen the creatures.
- 2 Oct 20:38 First Daily MailR UFO whistleblower claims two alien species are at war above America leaving Joe Rogan stunned
- 3 Oct 16:40 +20h 2m New York PostR UFO whistleblower David Grusch makes wild alien claims on Joe Rogan podcast: ‘Greek gods’ and ‘gorilla lizards’
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